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| Topic Started: Nov 4 2008, 08:08 PM (178 Views) | |
| ArtsyHippieVampire | Nov 4 2008, 08:08 PM Post #1 |
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Who do you want to be the 44th president? |
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| bandgeek2007 | Nov 4 2008, 08:23 PM Post #2 |
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Well all of the major television stations believe that McCain has taken Kentucky... I like McCain's running mate more than him truly... I believe she would be a good leader.... I dont think that I want Obama to be president... I think the possibilities of something bad happening is great... especially in the South, unfortunately... |
Go Bandies!!! "I think I might as well give up being a candidate. There are so many people in the country who don't like me." William Taft "Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else." Storm of X-Men Jean Grey: Ain't we the pair-- me, with too many lives for one body, you with not enough body for your life. Storm: Muddling through regardless. Jean Grey: From one catastrophe to the next. Storm: 'Til death do us part. Jean Grey: That'll be the day. Storm: (proposing toast) To the X-Men, then! Who do not die the old fashioned way. Jean Grey: And no matter how hard we try... Storm: ...none of us die forever. | |
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| Discordia | Nov 4 2008, 08:25 PM Post #3 |
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Why do you like Palin? I'd MUCH rather Biden be President if something bad happened. |
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| bandgeek2007 | Nov 4 2008, 08:27 PM Post #4 |
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The problem is... Biden is old!!! Palin is young.. If something were to happen to the President, I would like to have a vice president that could last a while. I would hate to see the Speaker become President... |
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Go Bandies!!! "I think I might as well give up being a candidate. There are so many people in the country who don't like me." William Taft "Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else." Storm of X-Men Jean Grey: Ain't we the pair-- me, with too many lives for one body, you with not enough body for your life. Storm: Muddling through regardless. Jean Grey: From one catastrophe to the next. Storm: 'Til death do us part. Jean Grey: That'll be the day. Storm: (proposing toast) To the X-Men, then! Who do not die the old fashioned way. Jean Grey: And no matter how hard we try... Storm: ...none of us die forever. | |
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| Discordia | Nov 4 2008, 08:38 PM Post #5 |
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McCain is 72. Biden is 65. If you're worried about health concerns when it comes to age, McCain is in more risk of dying while in office than Biden if Obama dies. If McCain died, we'd be leaving the nation to Palin. If Obama AND Biden died (and I highly doubt Biden would die. Sixty five isn't THAT old), the Speaker of the House would take over. Surely that would be better than Palin. You still haven't told me what you like about Palin, besides her age. |
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| bandgeek2007 | Nov 4 2008, 08:48 PM Post #6 |
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I like Palin way more than Pelosi!!! I think Pelosi has already had her time in the spotlight and now it's Palin's turn... Anyways, I do not believe Biden is better than Obama. The only thing about Obama I like is his education plan and I have a selfish reason behind that. |
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Go Bandies!!! "I think I might as well give up being a candidate. There are so many people in the country who don't like me." William Taft "Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else." Storm of X-Men Jean Grey: Ain't we the pair-- me, with too many lives for one body, you with not enough body for your life. Storm: Muddling through regardless. Jean Grey: From one catastrophe to the next. Storm: 'Til death do us part. Jean Grey: That'll be the day. Storm: (proposing toast) To the X-Men, then! Who do not die the old fashioned way. Jean Grey: And no matter how hard we try... Storm: ...none of us die forever. | |
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| Discordia | Nov 4 2008, 08:58 PM Post #7 |
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You're still planning on both the president and/or the vice president to die. I'll give you Obama. His assassination is definitely possible, unfortunately. So is Palin a "lesser evil" kind of choice for you, then? There are no real reasons for you to want her in office other than she's not as bad as the other guy? The spotlight is not what matters, it's how good they would be at the job. If you think Pelosi has lost her touch and would not be able to take on the position of President, that makes sense. What skills would make Palin a better president than Pelosi, if the situation arises? |
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| bandgeek2007 | Nov 4 2008, 09:09 PM Post #8 |
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For one... Palin's Republican... I am a Moderate that leans towards Republican...  Another one... Palin, as a candidate now, has some care for Kentucky. Considering her running mate has presumably won the state. Pelosi has people under her who care for Kentucky and she has nothing to deal with. All she cares about is California. Palin has been a mayor and is a governor. This means that she has been a small scale president in her own respect. I believe that she is ready. Pelosi on the other hand has only been Speaker of the House and a Representative. |
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Go Bandies!!! "I think I might as well give up being a candidate. There are so many people in the country who don't like me." William Taft "Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else." Storm of X-Men Jean Grey: Ain't we the pair-- me, with too many lives for one body, you with not enough body for your life. Storm: Muddling through regardless. Jean Grey: From one catastrophe to the next. Storm: 'Til death do us part. Jean Grey: That'll be the day. Storm: (proposing toast) To the X-Men, then! Who do not die the old fashioned way. Jean Grey: And no matter how hard we try... Storm: ...none of us die forever. | |
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| Discordia | Nov 4 2008, 09:23 PM Post #9 |
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Thank you. Well, Kentucky is a red state, so it only makes sense that she would care (or at least pretend to). If the Republicans simply ignored Kentucky, Republican Kentuckians could begin to rethink who they want in office. Meanwhile, why would Obama and Biden put a lot of effort into a red state where their Republican opponents are also campaigning? As a president, you have to look at the country as a whole, and what is best for it as a whole. As long as the Governor, and Kentucky's Senate and House of Representative members care for Kentucky, I don't mind the president and vice president not paying special attention to it. Sorry, a large part of this might be irrelevant. It's my mind rambling. But Biden has had more experience in international affairs. Being in control of a state doesn't require as much interaction with other nations as being in control of a country. Why are we skipping over Biden again? He's not necessarily going to die within the next four years. |
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| bandgeek2007 | Nov 4 2008, 09:35 PM Post #10 |
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Personally I don't like Biden's attitude. He believes that Obama is going to face a tough challenge and I do not want to think about that. Also, if he believes this, it is like he wants to be challenged to prove that he is right for this job. I don't want a vice president who is one heart beat away from being president thinking that all he has to do is impress us in a time of weakness. This is the problem I have with Biden. I do believe that age plays a factor in both campaigns. Some believe that the only reason Palin agreed to run this year is to get her name on the national spotlight to run in 2012. If she did this, she succeded. I believe that she is ready to be vice president, and personally I do not believe that Biden is ready. It is not the qualifications that are holding back Obama or Palin, it's truly their running mates. I believe if Obama and Palin were on the same ticket and so were McCain and Biden, Obama and Palin would wins hand down. But how many of those votes would be for Palin and how many would be for Obama?? |
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Go Bandies!!! "I think I might as well give up being a candidate. There are so many people in the country who don't like me." William Taft "Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else." Storm of X-Men Jean Grey: Ain't we the pair-- me, with too many lives for one body, you with not enough body for your life. Storm: Muddling through regardless. Jean Grey: From one catastrophe to the next. Storm: 'Til death do us part. Jean Grey: That'll be the day. Storm: (proposing toast) To the X-Men, then! Who do not die the old fashioned way. Jean Grey: And no matter how hard we try... Storm: ...none of us die forever. | |
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| Discordia | Nov 4 2008, 10:03 PM Post #11 |
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THAT's the attitude you've been having trouble with? Hoo boy, you ain't seen nothing yet. He's known for having a smart mouth. But he's got the know-how, and Obama does most of the speaking anyway. Think of Biden as a consult for him, in which case there is obviously something Obama liked about what he's got to say or else he wouldn't have chosen in. No matter who is in office they're going to face a challenge. It naturally comes with being President. On top of that, there's a war going on. That's an challenging issue no matter who is president. Not thinking about it isn't going to make it disappear. Wanting to inform the public is a good thing, we're just not used to the government doing it. |
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| Caius of Xen | Nov 5 2008, 10:24 AM Post #12 |
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*Ahem* I disagree with Barack Obama on a hell of a lot of things. I agree that he doesn't have enough foreign policy experience, and that he doesn't have enough executive experience. I'm also somewhat worried about his plans for Iraq, how he plans to draw down troop levels, although that is more uncertainty than pure disagreement since it's pretty clear to anyone intelligent that he's not going to pull out the bulk of Coalition troops until the Iraqis can pick up the slack. Finally, there's my annoyance with his somewhat hesitant stance on nuclear power. As a person, I think I'd like John McCain. He's proven himself to be dedicated in the service of his country, on unquestionable loyalty and courage, and his withstood horrors that we teenagers, sitting in our comfortable suburban homes, would only visit in our nightmares. He has seen the enemies of the free world, and knows what happens when you lose to them. He has the requisite experience necessary and frankly, he seems like a pretty cool guy, especially under pressure. After "Thanks a lot you little jerk" I was almost willing to become his supporter... Then Sarah Palin came along... Both candidates chose a VP that would cover their flaws. Obama chose Joe Biden; middle class, Catholic, and with enough foreign policy experience to teach a Poly Sci course at any of the world's great universities. From where we are now, I'm pretty damn confident that should the unthinkable happen, Joe Biden would be plenty ready to take over. (Hell, he was ready in '88 when he made a run for President the first time). Sarah Palin is everything McCain is not, she's hard right wing, young and popular. She also has none of McCain's strengths. Where McCain was able to reach across the aisle to Democrats before, the Republican campaign suddenly became hateful and negative, trying to undermine Obama's case for the Presidency with innuendo, fearmongering and subtle racism. Where McCain was restrained, and knew how and when to use his humour to score points, Palin was a walking gaffe machine. Normally, this wouldn't be a problem, except for the fact that John McCain is 72 years old, and has already gone one round with cancer. If he had been elected, I would have estimated his chance at surviving his first term, with all the stress and pressure that would have entailed, at 65-45%. If Senator McCain had become President McCain, and had died in office, then Palin would have taken over. Past being the first Woman President of the most powerful country in the world, that would have been an unmitigated disaster. Could you imagine a President who would flip-flop on important government projects? One who would fire senior officials in public security forces to further her own agenda, one whose biggest influence used to (until it became politically inconvenient) be a member of a party which wanted a state to separate from the union? John McCain can hold the country together, but there's no guarantees he'd be able to hold it, and himself together for 4 years. That is a calculated risk, and is one that I, and as it seems, most of the people who are actually in a position to do something about it, are not willing to take. Ever since Primary Season, I have been a supporter of now-President-Elect Obama. I still am, and hope to continue to be. |
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| Experiment 1337 | Nov 6 2008, 05:52 PM Post #13 |
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I've always been fond of Barack, as opposed to McCain. Mainly because of McCain's policy on the Iraq war. You see, we're spending about $5000 a second in Iraq. That's $12 billion a month, for a grand total of about $800 billion a year. With that kind of money, we could buy a bounce castle for every kid in the US, or fill the Grand Canyon with ping-pong balls. But back on topic. Why are we spending 800 billion dollars a year on a war we shouldn't have entered into in the first place, when our education system is crap, our healthcare is crap, and the economy is failing? I just don't get that. And McCain wants to give the Iraqis a blank ticket. |
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| ArtsyHippieVampire | Nov 9 2008, 10:31 PM Post #14 |
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I for one LOVE our new president. The Fourth Reich (joke against Bush) is finally over. Palin is a ditz. Biden ate her up at the VP Debate. He lapped her 1,000 times. McCain is a supposed "war hero" when in fact he was a POW for half the Vietnam War. I have neighbors who claim to be scared of Obama, but I'm more scared of a "proud" Vietnam veteran who graduated 5th from the bottom of his class at a NAVAL ACADEMY. Obama has his B.A. in Politcial Science and a specialization in international relations. Tell me that isn't president material. |
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| Caius of Xen | Nov 10 2008, 05:53 PM Post #15 |
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I think General Wesley Clark put it best when he said, and I paraphrase: "You don't become a hero through failure". |
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